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Post by heddaparsons on Dec 30, 2006 3:29:53 GMT
from CNN: Former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein is dead -- executed by hanging for killings committed during a brutal crackdown nearly 25 years ago –- Iraqi TV stations report. www.cnn.comI have so many emotions regarding this. He was a monster and his hanging will not be mourned by me. Maybe when I get a chance to collect my thoughts on this I will post them. BTW, that was sure quick. |
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Post by jacknastygirl on Dec 30, 2006 6:00:52 GMT
hello,
thank you for info. that guy was really awful. I hated that psychopathic monster.
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Post by cina on Dec 30, 2006 8:06:50 GMT
Now, as much as I hate the death penalty, all I have to say about this particular one is: GOOD RIDDANCE!!
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Post by heddaparsons on Dec 30, 2006 13:25:04 GMT
The only thing is that it was too quick and he didn't suffer like his victims. I'm against the death penalty as well, but in this case I have no problem.
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Post by sarahgyllenhaal on Dec 30, 2006 23:19:34 GMT
I feel like there are worse people out there than Suddam Hussein. As much of a monster as he was, I can't help feeling like this is all about Bush and his war on Iraq. Bush clearly went into Iraq for himself, though he claims it was to fight terrorism. Hello?? There are countries much more involved with terrorism. I know SH was an awful person, but George W. Bush has been manipulating the U.S.'s money and military for far too long. Everyone should have listened to Jake and voted Democratic. I mean, when an extremely hot and talented actor comes around hugging people and shaking hands, urging you to vote Democrat, you do it!
Anyways... though he harmed many of his own people, I feel a little sorry for him. There were people partying on the streets when he was being executed. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. Though I support the hanging of SH, someone dying is very serious, and although many were vicimized by him, I would have at least let him die not feeling like the most hated person in the entire world.
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Post by ATD on Dec 30, 2006 23:33:40 GMT
I do agree that Bush, and our own Dark Overlord Blair, have manipulated the situation in Iraq to suit their own agenda. It doesn’t take away from the fact that Saddam was a ruthless dictator and a destablising influence in the region. His removal was ultimately justified, even if the justifications given to us the general populous were not the true one.
As for feeling sorry that he “died feeling he was the most hated man in the world”, I envy your compassion.
He did not just victimise and harm his own people, he massacred them with nerve gas. Someone above mentioned that hanging was too quick – I tend to agree.
Perhaps it would have been better to let him feel his skin blistering from his body, his internal organs dissolving and being regurgitated and his eyes swelling to 4 times there normal size as his died over an extended period of time from exposure to the same toxins he used on his people – I think he got a good deal, hatred doesn’t really hurt that much.
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Post by sarahgyllenhaal on Dec 31, 2006 0:44:59 GMT
Hatred doesn't really hurt that much??
How can you say that?? Haven't you WATCHED any Jake movies??
In Brokeback Mountain, Jack didn't cry because Ennis hit him, he cried because Ennis was angry at him, because their love was so difficult to maintain. In The Good Girl, Holden went CRAZY when he thought Justine didn't like him. In Donnie Darko, Donnie DIED for love!
I completely aknowledge that SH is a horrible person. He did completely terrible and horrifying things. When I was 5, my parents were watching the news, and I saw some of the bombs, and screaming women clutching mangled children. It gave me nightmares for YEARS. But I think Hatred is one of the most powerful human emotions, and it hurts more than anything in the world. I cried when I broke my arm. But one year, in summer camp, a girl was meaner to me than anyone had ever been in my life, and got most of the cabin to side with her. A few people told me they hated me. I cried much much more in that night than I did when I broke my arm.
Not one person in the entire world has ever or will ever deserve to be hated.
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Post by ATD on Dec 31, 2006 0:53:30 GMT
Hatred doesn't really hurt that much?? How can you say that?? Haven't you WATCHED any Jake movies?? In Brokeback Mountain, Jack didn't cry because Ennis hit him, he cried because Ennis was angry at him, because their love was so difficult to maintain. In The Good Girl, Holden went CRAZY when he thought Justine didn't like him. In Donnie Darko, Donnie DIED for love! I completely aknowledge that SH is a horrible person. He did completely terrible and horrifying things. When I was 5, my parents were watching the news, and I saw some of the bombs, and screaming women clutching mangled children. It gave me nightmares for YEARS. But I think Hatred is one of the most powerful human emotions, and it hurts more than anything in the world. I cried when I broke my arm. But one year, in summer camp, a girl was meaner to me than anyone had ever been in my life, and got most of the cabin to side with her. A few people told me they hated me. I cried much much more in that night than I did when I broke my arm. Not one person in the entire world has ever or will ever deserve to be hated. Remember, we are dealing in real world grown up issues, not movie scripts and childish fallings out. Yes hatred hurts, words cut deeply – but they are only words (or a party in the street to show the emotion) – His hated of his own people was translated into a tangible action which has had a lasting effect on generations of Iraqi people. |
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Post by sarahgyllenhaal on Dec 31, 2006 1:14:54 GMT
Hun, hatred isn't childish, or a movie fantasy. Hatred is the REASON for all the wars that have been caused, hundreds of cultures lost, forever. Words can be MORE than just words, they can scar a person for life. They're the reason why many people go to therapists, or suffer from personality/mental disorders. Clearly, you have not experienced the Real World with Grown Up Issues yourself, or the Real World with Grownup issues is a bunch of bullshit. If all Grownup Issues are about is Physical Torture than the world is a very, very sad place.
I DO agree that what he did was horrible, but, well, let's use religion. A lot of the fighting recently has been about religion. It doesn't matter what relegion you are, or even if you choose not to follow a religion, basic morals say that you shouldn't hate anyone. Even, that you should forgive people.
Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that the Iraqi people should have gone up to Suddam and said "We forgive you, come back" I wouldn't be able to do that. I'm not even saying that they SHOULDNT hate him. If my family or friends were tortured or killed by him, I probably would hate him too. All I'm saying is that I feel really horrible that ANYONE had to die like that, and hatred can be, and is a much more powerful force than toxic gasses.
That IS the Real World sweetie. So, you can wake up now.
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Post by sarahgyllenhaal on Dec 31, 2006 1:19:22 GMT
^^sorry for all the spelling/grammar errors in this. I'm just really tired and I didn't feel like checking it
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Post by katie on Dec 31, 2006 1:26:29 GMT
Hun, hatred isn't childish, or a movie fantasy. Hatred is the REASON for all the wars that have been caused, hundreds of cultures lost, forever. Words can be MORE than just words, they can scar a person for life. ... That IS the Real World sweetie. So, you can wake up now. I'd be grateful Sarah if you could drop the patronising tone. This is not the place for it. I realise that you'ee very young and, as you say, very tired. Everone here is very considerate of one another's opinions and you should treat ATD with more respect. Your comparisons are out of place. Please don't tell me to wake up too. I know people who are in Iraq right now. It's a little bit more deadly than you appreciate and not as easy to dismiss with comfortable cliches about 'hatred' and 'religion'. |
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Post by ATD on Dec 31, 2006 1:30:56 GMT
Hun, hatred isn't childish, or a movie fantasy. Hatred is the REASON for all the wars that have been caused, hundreds of cultures lost, forever. Words can be MORE than just words, they can scar a person for life. They're the reason why many people go to therapists, or suffer from personality/mental disorders. Clearly, you have not experienced the Real World with Grown Up Issues yourself, or the Real World with Grownup issues is a bunch of bullshit. If all Grownup Issues are about is Physical Torture than the world is a very, very sad place. I DO agree that what he did was horrible, but, well, let's use religion. A lot of the fighting recently has been about religion. It doesn't matter what relegion you are, or even if you choose not to follow a religion, basic morals say that you shouldn't hate anyone. Even, that you should forgive people. Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that the Iraqi people should have gone up to Suddam and said "We forgive you, come back" I wouldn't be able to do that. I'm not even saying that they SHOULDNT hate him. If my family or friends were tortured or killed by him, I probably would hate him too. All I'm saying is that I feel really horrible that ANYONE had to die like that, and hatred can be, and is a much more powerful force than toxic gasses. That IS the Real World sweetie. So, you can wake up now.
Ok, lets get one thing straight little girl, I am neither your Hun or your Sweetie.
Now I have tried to be polite to you despite your tendency to post ridiculous bullshit, I note you tag says you have emotional problems – I thought you were just quoting the movie – obviously not, so I’ll be as gentle as possible. I wouldn’t want you to have to undergo years of therapy.
You stated that you felt sorry for Saddam Hussain because people expressed their anger during his execution. Now I even went as far as to acknowledge being envious of your compassion in that respect.
The fact of the matter is that I, and I would suspect most people do not feel that compassion, and when weighing up his feeling for the minutes before being executed and the suffering felt by the hundreds of thousands of people over and extended period of time at his hands – then frankly, HE GOT OF LIGHTLY.
And no, hatred isn’t childish – but a fall out at summer camp is. Hatred is not a movie fantasy, it is a reality of this world, but with the exception of October Sky – Jakes movies are fantasy, works of fiction, and the only one which comes close to describing the effects of the situation you are trying to justify with these benign arguments is Jarhead.
Now I don’t know you and you don’t know me – I’ve read your posts and found them to be childish and full of crap. So I think it would be best if we agree to ignore each other from now on. |
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Post by sarahgyllenhaal on Dec 31, 2006 1:44:40 GMT
I'm sorry if I came on a bit bitchy. I'm just really tired, and having some family-related issues. I KNOW my comparisons aren't perfect, but seeing as I am not an Iraqi citizen, I don't see how I could have made a perfect comparison, though I do admit, perhaps my comparisons WERE a bit childish .
But I'm still going to stand by my ideals. Just because I am young does not mean I am naiive. Hatred is NOT a cliche. I understand that the violence is out of hand in Iraq. It makes me extremely upset, and I do not think I underestimate it. But hatred is terrifying and also the reason for the violence. It is the reason behind the fighting and the suicide bombing.
I am terribly sorry if I offended anyone. But this is affecting me just as much as older people. My best friend's uncle is in Iraq. She hasn't seen him in 6 months, and when he missed Christmas, I couldn't get her to talk to me for days afterwards. It's very, very scary. I just wish that people would stop underestimating teenagers. We experience the world as well.
I believe that for the violence to stop, the hatred must be stopped first.
And thank you all for putting up with my opinions.
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Post by katie on Dec 31, 2006 1:50:45 GMT
Nobody is against you expressing opinions but you need to think more before you speak, particularly with these inappropriate generalisations. You should also not use words such as 'hun' and 'sweetie' like that, it's extremely insulting.
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